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0009a

Subject: re: Smith Family

Date: 11/01/2012

Submitted by: David Johnson

John Smith and Jincy Taylor married Nov. 20, 1833 Carter Co., TN 1850 census Subdivision 30, Sullivan Co., TN, page 9 B: 132/132 Smith, Jno. 38 M laborer TN Smith, Jinsy 36 F TN Smith, James 15 M TN Smith, Jacob 15 M TN Smith, Nathaniel 14 M TN Smith, Lydia 11 F TN Smith, Sarah 10 F TN Smith, Margaret 7 F TN Smith, Mary 4 F TN Smith, Rebecca 1 F TN So: [John b. abt. 1812] [Jinsy b. abt. 1814] ********** 1860 census District 1, Sullivan Co., TN, page 13 A: 1206/1206 Smith, John C. 48 M day laborer TN Smith, Jane, 47 F TN Smith, Lydia C. 22 F TN Smith, Sarah J. 20 F TN Smith, Margaret S. 18 F TN Smith, Mary A. C. 16 F TN Smith, Rebecca C. 14 F TN Smith, Marianne L. 10 F TN Smith, William M. 8 M TN Smith, John M. 6 M TN ********** 1870 census of Bristol P.O., District 1, Sullivan Co., TN, page 373 B and 374 A: 14/14 Smith, John C. 59 W M farmer TN Smith, Jency 58 F W TN Harkleroad, Sarah 33 F W TN Bradley, Margaret 30 F W TN Smith, Mollie 22 F W TN Smith, Rebecca C. 18 F W TN Smith, William 15 M W TN Smith, John 14 M W TN Smith?, Harkleroad S. 4 F W TN Smith, Lizzie 6 F W TN Smith, Charley 4 M W TN ********** 1880 Sullivan Co., TN: John C. Smith 69 Jincy 67 ********** 1890 Union Veterans Census: 1890 John C. Smith private in unknown unit, residing Dist. 10, Grundy Co., TN., h/h 145/145 The 1910 census of District 2, Grundy Co., TN, page 150 B, household 147/147 shows a John C. Smith, age 64 (born 1846), as a Union Army Veteran in the Civil War (column 31 has "UA" in it). This same John C. is also shown in the 1900 District 10, Grundy Co., TN census as age 53 (b. Dec. 1846). And this John C. Smith served in the [edit- see message number 0009b below] according to the Union Army service records. The John C. Smith at Grundy Co., TN in the 1890 Union Veterans Census at household 145/145 in District 10 is not your John. Yours would have been age 79 in 1890 and the Grundy Co. one was age 43/44 in 1890. There was also an age 40 limit to being allowed to join the military, and your John was 49 in 1861, and he likely did not serve in the Civil War. I see no evidence that your John and wife Jincy ever left Sullivan Co., TN, being old enough in 1880 to possibly have died soon after.

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0009b

Subject: re: Smith Family

Date: 11/21/2012

Submitted by: Barbara Smith Dunn

John Calvin Smith, buried in the Altamont Cemetery in Grundy Co. was the brother of my ggrandfather, William Hamilton Smith. The parents were Edward "Coonie" Smith, Kirby Cemetery,, and his wife Anna Smith, Charles Creek Cemetery in Warren Co., TN. The Smiths were originally from Jefferson Co., TN. "Coonie" was a shoemaker and born in 1818. These brothers were in the 6th Regiment, Co. E, Mtd. Cal. Inf. Union Troops. The marker on Hamilton's grave is INCORRECT. I have ggrandfather's original Civil War Document. You can find both of them in the fold3. They actually mustered out of Nashville, TN on June 30, 1865, not l864. These brothers both settled in Altamont, County of Grundy. John's 1st wife was a Scruggs and Editha was his 2nd. These wives are buried with him in the same cemetery, Altamont, side by side.

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0003a

Subject: re: Parents of John Dee Phipps and his wife Beulah

Date: 06/05/2012

Submitted by: David Johnson

Not related, just helping. "John D. Phipps" died 04/22/1962 in Grundy Co., TN at age 86 according to his Grundy Co., TN death certificate #10012. I can only see the index entry for that; so I don't see his parents. You can get that certificate or rather they call it a "verification of death facts" by following the directions here: http://health.state.tn.us/vr/Genealogy.htm At that link read the directions, then get the form by clicking on the link "death". I have given you the name as it appears on the certificate, date, county, and cert. number. That's all the information they need. The above certificate gives a birth year (by doing the math) of abt. 1876. As an adult, John D. Phipps states his age as 30 in 1910, 40 in 1920, and 50 in 1930. The 1900 census shows John D. Phipps as son of John and Martha (error corrected) Phipps, and born Feb 1877, age 23. He should also be in their household in 1880, but is not. "Bulah Myers" married "J. D. Phipps" on March 8, 1903 in Grundy Co., TN. No record found for the second marriage. 1900 census Grundy Co. Dist. 11, shows Bulah [b. Oct. 1884] as the daughter of Casper S. [b. Feb 1859] and Margaret [b. Mar. 1870] Myers. Casper Myers married Tennessee McBride on March 26 1882 and second Margret Patrick on Sept. 23, 1891 both in Grundy Co. Margret will be Bulah's mother and was listed b. Mar. 1870 in the 1900 census. There is a death certificate I am viewing for John D's father, "John P. Phipps", in Hamilton Co., TN where he had moved before he died. The 1900 census I cited above states the elder John was born Feb 1855 in TN, and this death certificate matches that exactly. He was buried in Hobbs Hill Cemetery in Tracy City, Grundy Co., TN. From that death cert: John P. Phipps- resided and died at Chattanooga, Hamilton Co., TN, died at Erlanger Hospital white, male, widowed, coal miner born Feb 28 1855 Grundy Co., TN died 5/14/1941 parents: Jackson Phipps and Sallie Smith both born TN informant: Henry Phipps, Tracy City [this was another son seen on the 1900 census] burial: Hobbs Hill Cemetery, Tracy City undertaker: F P Ewton and sons, Dunlap, TN John Phipps married Martha Dickerson June 25, 1873, Grundy Co., TN Martha (Dickerson) Phipps has a death cert. in Grundy Co., TN #16189, year 1928: Died Tracy City 07/02/1928 white, female, married, housekeeper age 72 born TN, no date [1900 census: Mar 1857] parents: father-don't know, mother-Miss Dickerson, birthplace not known for either. informant: J D Phipps, Tracy City, TN [the one you are asking about] burial: Tracy City [Cem not given] With the censuses at familysearch.org and on this Grundy Co. GenWeb site you could take this back at least another generation, and maybe find a Dickerson family with Martha as daughter, and I think I have: See 1870 census, Dist. 8, Altamont, page 479, Sarah Dickerson, 72, with son Buckey, age 43, and supposedly granddaughter Martha, 11. Compare to William B. Dickerson, age 33 [a match] in 1860 Dist. 8, Pelham, wife Elizabeth, 29, and Sarah Dickerson is next door at age 63. Jackson Phipps and wife Sarah [Sallie is nick for Sarah] with son John are also at Pelham in the 1860 Grundy Co. census.

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0003b

Subject: re: Parents of John Dee Phipps and his wife Beulah

Date: 06/06/2012

Submitted by: Kay Largess

Thank you Mr. Johnson for such a quick response to my first query. I need to verify that Margaret and Martha Dickerson are the same person. However, my next point of interest is with my gggm's side, the Myers. I was always told that Bulah Myers was a native American and am wanting verification of this fact. Can you assit with this also, or is there another source I need to check?

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0003c

Subject: re: Parents of John Dee Phipps and his wife Beulah

Date: 06/06/2012

Submitted by: David Johnson

Margaret Phipps in my answer above as wife of John P. Phipps in the 1900 census was error. John P. Phipps, father of John D. Phipps had wife named Martha, not Margaret in the 1900 census. I have now corrected that in red in the earlier post. So, there is no Margaret (Dickerson) Phipps in the genealogy. It is just Martha. At least I did correctly state: "John Phipps married Martha Dickerson June 25, 1873, Grundy Co., TN". Now you do not have that conflict of names. For the second question, proving Indian ancestry can be impossible. Indians had two choices: live among the white men as one of their society, or ultimately be sent to Oklahoma in 1835 in the Trail Of Tears. Those who tried to blend in with the whites in this area of TN did not state they were Indian for the race column. If they looked too dark-skinned, and only then, they were often listed as mulatto or "mu". Mulatto was a term also used for mixed races, though. So, census is no help, nor is any other government record as a rule. Sometimes the fact might come up in a court case, but seldom. The only hope of proving Indian ancestry is in finding the person and their family on the "Indian Rolls". There were two that would most likely be of use to you: the Guion-Miller Roll of 1909, and the Dawes Roll of 1889-1914. The Guion-Miller Roll was an index of applications made by people and families claiming Indian ancestry in order to receive Federal compensation given only to those who could prove it. The applications contained their documents and letters of proof. The Dawes Roll was a listing of all people who could prove their ancestry to one of the five civilized tribes and be enrolled in the tribe, Cherokee included. There are indexes to these two rolls on the internet. It contains their names and the state they were living in; so, if you see a name in TN that matches a name you are searching for, then you can use the file number in the index to get a copy of the application by mail. Not every person of Indian ancestry applied to these. Some who applied could not prove their claim. The Guion-Miller Roll index is here: http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/native-americans-guion-miller.html The Dawes Roll Index is here: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/ Bulah's mother was Margret "Patrick" before she married Casper Myers, and I cannot find a Patrick in the area in the census that I could link her to. She needs a search. Seems she came out of nowhere?

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